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hangblague
Aug-10-2007, 6:54pm
I just thought I would relay my recent mandolin purchase experience. I recently bought a second hand (but pretty new) Kentucky 250 mandolin, on the strength of one photo and the the enthusiasm of several Kentuckyites on this board. I'm brand new to mandolins but not to fretted instruments.

I was very happy to see this long-distance transaction through. I didn't know enough to recognize or find out about its problems ahead of time or when I got it. I could play the thing, but I was a little discouraged at how hard it was for my daughter to fret. I took it to Larry Muth, a great luthier who lives in my city, just to see whether any set-up adjustments might help. Did he open my eyes and help me out!

The action was waaaaay high and the bridge was misaligned and already screwed down as far as it would go. He re-shaped the bridge for me, sanding it down as much as possible without seriously compromising the volume to a "medium" action (it can't screw down any lower) and the difference was like night and day.

Larry explained to me that the fundamental flaw is the neck angle on my sucker which is off, affecting the proper range of bridge height adjustment. Also, he pointed out that the top wood appeared too weak in that it was beginning a small bubble to the rear, evidenced by its touching the tail-piece. Finally, the neck has a slight concaveness, length-wise to it, which is like the opposite of a radiused neck, making it slightly less easy to play. There isn't much to do about those sorts of problems on a cheaper instrument, but he sure made a disaster a lot better for me. He also calmly talked me out of other adjustment ideas I had (like re-nutting), explaining how the results would not be worth the expense. Larry wasn't all negative. He played it and demonstrated the instrument's good points as well, assuring me that it was an adequate starting instrument (especially after he fixed it).

Larry is a real gentleman who knows mandolins intimately. He chatted with me for at least a couple of hours, showing me his shop, tools, work-in-progress, etc. answering in detail all my questions about his one-at-a-time custom building technique. He invited me into his house to try out three of his own high quality f-style creations just so that I could get a taste of the difference between what I had and a quality hand-made instrument. Even a newbie like me could appreciate the incredible difference in quality (tone, playability and volume) by playing a little. I don't know what was more of a treat, his shop or his instruments.

So the moral of the story is, Kentucky's aren't necessarily perfect. People who say do your homework first and try it out first are right. (That doesn't make it easy if you live in certain wildernesses). I'm still satisfied that I have a starter that will work for me for a more or less fair price, but there is at least one defective one out there (mine). Lucky for me, I happen to live in walking distance from a master.

Aug-11-2007, 9:39am
Glad to hear that your story had a happy ending.

There's nothing like professional help when it comes to instruments. About the only thing I'll ever attempt is re-stringing.

Santiago
Aug-12-2007, 10:21am
No luthier is perfect. Not trying to be religious, just that perfection is something the good ones strive very hard to APPROACH. It's the human touch that makes a great instrument a great instrument. If Nuggets grew on trees it would be a very different world. Of course I'd be planting a grove.

JeffD
Aug-15-2007, 10:40am
the neck has a slight concaveness, length-wise to it, which is like the opposite of a radiused neck, making it slightly less easy to play.
Not to be a jerk, but just to be sure I understand - you are talking concave from end to end, which means the highest action is not at the body end of the neck, but somewhwere in the middle

hangblague
Aug-15-2007, 2:44pm
The neck isn't bowed as such, in the way you would normally picture such a problem. Rather, the neck is slightly depressed in the middle, up and down the entire length. In other words, my neck is a raingutter! Don't get me wrong, it's very slight. But a neck cross-section should either be straight, I think, or "radiused" (slightly humped). Again this does not refer to a bow from end to end, but the altitude difference between any spot between the middle two strings along the neck and a spot as near to it under an outside string. I wish I knew how to speak plainly.

steve V. johnson
Aug-15-2007, 3:21pm
Nice story, thanks!

I think a lot of folks who are buying an inexpensive, manufactured mandolin would be a lot happier if they'd prepare, from the outset of shopping, to take whatever they get into a professional for a setup when it arrives. It always feels better when it's a planned "upgrade" measure rather than for remedy or repair !!

As you did, folks can learn a whole, whole lot from that process.

Thanks!

stv

Mattg
Aug-16-2007, 4:52pm
That sounded flawed enough to send it back. My 380s came to me in much better shape

Folkmusician.com
Aug-16-2007, 5:37pm
I have only seen a concave fingerboard a few times (models other than the 250). Rarely anything some light planing won't fix, but what makes this interesting is that we are talking about a KM-250 which is supposed to be radiused. I wonder how they managed that one. hehe http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Matt Hutchinson
Aug-17-2007, 7:02am
I think a lot of folks who are buying an inexpensive, manufactured mandolin would be a lot happier if they'd prepare, from the outset of shopping, to take whatever they get into a professional for a setup when it arrives
I totally agree. I bought a Czech made Furch a few months ago and really liked it as it came. I wanted the action adjusting a little bit though so asked around and took it for a set up to a guy named Cedric Thorose here in London. He straightened the neck (I hadn't realised it was warped), sorted out the action and buffed the light string dents out of a couple of frets. It plays, feels and sounds twice as good and all for £25.

Not only that, Cedric also makes mandolins and resonators and spent a while telling me about what goes into the construction of a mandolin and what factors affect the sound. I learned so much from him it would have been worth the money even without the set up! I'll definitely take my instruments there in future and recommend him to others.

I've never had an instrument professionally set up before but I certainly will from now on.