Weber knot

[Ken Olmstead]

I can be so imperceptive sometimes! I have been staring at the Weber Knot for 5 years now and have always wondered why Bruce was so proud of this thing. People want Flowerpots, Ferns and “The” in front of the brand name. Hey Bluegrass sells mandolins right!? Then, as I was in the “reading library” looking at a Weber brochure, it hits me… a heart!! Once the heart was separated…a fish!!!! “Love Jesus” is the message buried in the knot!! How cool! I am sure this has been noticed before, but again; I am not the sharpest tool in the shed! Nothing is more Bluegrass than singing about your love for Jesus! Sorry for criticizing Bruce!!!

[JEStanek]

Look at their labels...right under the T in SOUND TO EARTH. another "hidden" clue.
http://elderly.com/images/new_instruments/90N/WAL2_label.jpg

Jamie

[sgarrity]

I had no idea either. And I used to own one! LOL

[Brett Byers]

If it's any consolation, it took me about two years before I actually realized the celtic knot was something more than just a celtic knot. And I've worked for Bruce for over five years now. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[B. T. Walker]

All those things mentioned, and it also has a "W" in it for Weber. #Or Walker, which is why I had it tattooed on my right calf. #No one knows what it is until I go to a festival, and then I'm told I'm "hardcore". # http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif It gives me a chance to talk a little about my faith.

[Dan Cole]

I dont see that on my Big Sky, maybe a different knot. Lots of hearts, no fish.

[MikeEdgerton]

I hate it when this happens. All I see is a pretzel. I spend too much time in Philadelphia. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

[JEStanek]

Heres the heart and fish...

[JEStanek]

Here's the W... Harder for me to spot...
Jamie

[JEStanek]

And a final one for Mike! I guess having been a Philaburbian for 8 years I ought to assimilate... Mike, if it's any consolation the history of the pretzel is purportedly to include the form being symbolic of arms folded in prayer, hence the name derived from Latin bracchitus, "having branches," itself from bracchium, "branch, arm."

Jamie

[jmkatcher]

Maybe Bruce Weber just likes fish? http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Tim]

Eating fish is good for your heart?? http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[PCypert]

He had an interview on co-mando a while back and said that his faith was written into his business plan and all practices. I started looking at and buying Webers after that. I'm not one to blindly follow or chase anyone who's trying to use their faith to sell something (like certain political agendas) but if given the chance to support a person like this (especially with what we do over here in Thailand) I'll take it. I just bought a Bitterroot custom to bring back to Thailand when I come home for a couple months. Glad I have something else to talk about with folks at jams (surprisingly there are BG and Celtic jams here).

Paul

[Tim]

I'll be buying some black tape now...

[Lane Pryce]

Jamie you're killing me wit da wit!!! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif Lp

[pickinNgrinnin]

Welcome to the Cafe Brett! It's nice to have some of the Weber folks here. Keep up the great work out there in Montana.

[clarksavage]

Whoa, ya'll have waaa..y too much free time on your hands!

I never even imagined all the fun you could have looking at the headstock of my mandolin. Heck, all I thought about it was that it was the best darned little piece of wood to haul around for singing and playing.

Love my Aspen.

[steve V. johnson]

None of you see the sailboat ?!?!

http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


stv

[jmkatcher]

I think Waldo is in there, too.

[MikeEdgerton]

And a final one for Mike!

Thanks Jamie, that is truly a gift. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Nick Triesch]

Maybe they could make a movie called #"The Weber Code". #Nick:D

[JEStanek]

Knot a Weber but the new Tri-Star movie

The Antoniotsai Code is ready...
http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/uploads/post-15-96967-Mona_Lisa_smile.jpg

for your consideration. See the mando oddities thread...

Jamie

[James P]

Will you people please stop trying to promote your death cult here on the Cafe?

[ShaneJ]

Will you people please stop trying to promote your death cult here on the Cafe?
Death cult? That's rich, my friend.

Nobody is trying to promote anything. Nobody is trying to "force their religion" on you or anyone else. These folks are just talking about something that interests them that also happens to be mandolin-related.

Yours is the only post in this thread that seeks to manipulate other people and influence their religious beliefs.

I don't read many threads in the Classical forum because it doesn't interest me. For classical music lovers, it's a great forum. If you don't have any interest in threads like this one, there are plenty others for you to read without sticking your nose in to try to ruin it for those that appreciate it. I'd suggest you stick to those other threads.

[James P]

Dude, I just opened a thread about Webers and I get "Love Jesus."
You got religious beliefs? Keep 'em to yourself or take it to a religious forum.

[ShaneJ]

You got a thread about the meaning intended by Mr. Weber in the design of his headstock inlay, and, yes, it's Christian. It's impossible to talk about without mentioning religious beliefs. If you want to demean or debate anti-Christian beliefs, THAT is what needs to happen at a different forum. That's all I'm saying. You don't have to agree with anyone's beliefs here, least of all mine. I won't say any more, because any continuation of this would be in "religious debate" territory.

Obviously, your posts and mine are there already, but still related to this thread up to here. Scott may delete them, but I hope they stay. Religious beliefs may be "offensive" to some people, but a ban on mentioning religious beliefs in the name of political correctness is equally offensive to others - likely far more.

If Christians want to discuss anything mandolin-related that is also Christ-related, then they should be able to do that. As long as it doesn't get into a condemnation of others that don't agree, then two or more people discussing something between themselves is fine. And as long as other folks don't jump in to criticize and condemn in an effort to just cause trouble either, then things are fine.

[James P]

I see the OP as a clear violation of the posting guidelines. You don't see it as "promotional" because you agree with the agenda.

[Michael H Geimer]

James P, I don't understand why you are offended by this simple information about the knot? Would you rather own a Weber and *not* know this about their logo? I learned something about my mandolin because of this thread.

Information is just information. If you are offended by new information, that's your issue. Take responsibility for your feelings (after all, you made them). Calling on the mods to protect you from this innocent topic seems rather petty to me.

[Tom C]

I am Christian but not religious at all. I find nothin g wrong about the post. and guess what, bluegrass gospel tunes are my favorite and a huge part of bluegrass. Are you going to get on all the musicians who perform gospel music at a bluegrass festival? I find that celtic knot rather cool now.

[James P]

That's bull, Michael. Asking people to respect the guidelines isn't "calling on the mods" or petty.

[otterly2k]

James, I am not Christian and often find expressions of Christian faith here on the Cafe to be off-putting and alienating. And as you mention, posting guidelines for the Cafe do specify that posts discussing religion are prohibited. I appreciate this, as I do not believe this is the place to discuss religion, and I would be sad indeed if the Cafe became a place where one had to wade through such discussions in order to get to mando content. However, mentioning it in passing is not the same (to me) as discussing or promoting any particular religious beliefs.

On the other hand... the guidelines also call for being polite and courteous. Provocative or antagonistic posts are not welcome.

IMHO - the original post was noting something descriptive about a headstock design. That is mando content, which happens to refer to Christianity in the design. Perhaps walking a fine line, but it was not there for the purpose of promoting religion, but for discussing the headstock design. On the other hand, calling out Christians for promoting a "death cult" was definitely antagonistic and not a courteous way to go about questioning the appropriateness of the OP.

[Scott Tichenor]

Shouldn't be any argument to win here so let's calm down. Weber's logo can be exactly what you want it to be. If you wish to discuss posting guidelines, contact me.

[Jim Broyles]

James, sorry, but we don't have freedom from religion. We have freedom of religion. How did the OP violate the posting guidelines, other than that you are anti-Christian? The post was clearly about mandolins, and did not promote the poster's faith. In fact, you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the OP is even a Christian, if that post is your only evidence. I believe he is, but the post doesn't actually say so. What are you afraid of? FWIW, you have violated the posting guidelines with your objection to the discussion, since it is as a result of your post that religion is being discussed.


· Topics started for or end up being used to discuss religion, politics or sex are prohibited. Posts or threads deemed inappropriate or unrelated to our subject matter are subject to immediate removal at the discretion of the board owner.

[James P]

You're right. I was over the line. This thread was about Webers and that stuff about the dead guy was just mentioned "in passing."

[Michael H Geimer]

James, I'm sorry I used the word "petty". I didn't really want to offend, just hoped to point out it isn't so big an issue.

BTW: Thanks for using my real name. It's nice when people notice it's there (in my profile, that is).

[Tom C]

Somebody is a little THICK.

[DryBones]

Being a newly diagnosed diabetic and not being able to have any more...all I see is a nice,warm,soft,garlic flavored,salty pretzel with mustard on it. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif Now lighten up folks, life is too short for this kind of stuff.

[delsbrother]

we don't have freedom from religion. We have freedom of religion.
http://www.clubdevo.com/mp/images/discog/fashions/domes.jpg

[ShaneJ]

Now THAT'S a church choir! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[fatt-dad]

Wow, I'm glad this settled down before I started typing. #Just for the record, I never liked the Celtic-looking knot logo, irrespective of it's iconography. #That said, I'm thankful that this forum is so well moderated that us laypeople really don't have to try our hand at it.

f-d

[Scott Tichenor]

Some of the remarks made within this thread are pretty offensive and simply didn't need to be made. Let's stick to mandolins and avoid the personal attacks. Picture I shot below of Jim Curly from Shawnee, Kansas follows:

[Nick Triesch]

Back to mandolins, in a few days I get to try my friends brand new Weber custom Yellowstone. Should be very cool. Called a Yellowstone but very much like a Fern with Cedar top, tone bars, full binding, gold tuners ect. My friend says it's fantastic with great bottom end for chop. He bought it from the mandolin store where most of the Webers are ordered custom.. I'll let you know how it sounds. Nick

[pickinNgrinnin]

Nice tatoo that Jim Curley is sporting. I've bought a few Guitars and Mandolins from that fellow. Nice guy - he owns the Mountain Music Shoppe in Shawnee, Kansas.

A few years ago, I had owned 2 different Yellowstones and never saw the images in the Celtic knot until now! Cool image from a design standpoint IMO.

Hey Nick, I've liked every Cedar topped Weber I've played so far. Bruce and Co are doing very fine work with the Cedar tops these days.

[Nick Triesch]

Yep, I've heard great things about these mandolins. Seems that Weber has a hit with the new tonebar/cedar top mandolins. In fact most of their mandolins now come with tone bars. I think the new Big Sky comes with tone bars and with a solid cedar top. Great things are going on at Weber. On their web page you can check out all of the new specs at the top of the main page. Nick.

[Kevin Briggs]

I'll chime in for the spruce Webers as well. I've owned a maple Bitteroot with red spruce top for over two years, and it's brisk, baby! I have a red spruce Fern on order, and I know that'll be brisk too.

I played a brand new red spruce Fern at a local shop and it was simply great.

[mandorules]

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[cooper4205]

lets just let it go, no use in rehashing something that's been settled.

now back to topic, kinda, I wonder if any other builders have something hidden in their logo or inlay design like Weber has?