Ludwig Van Beethhoven

[giverin]

The other day i was looking through the mandolin section of a shop in Manchester (England) and came across a book with the title "music for mandolin by Ludwig Van Beethoven." So, i bought it took it home and he has written some beautiful music for our instrument. If anyone wants to see some of the music he's written just ask and ill post music/tab. Whichever is easier.
Mike

N.B ITIS DEFINATELTY [U] NOT BLUEGRASS. Its classical but still very nice. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif

[jiffyfeet]

I would be interested for sure.

[planoman]

me too, definitely. I have the Mel Bay Bach Mando book and it is great (but phew, challenging)

[Eugene]

Click here (http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=6;t=11266) for so much scholarly chat on such stuff that it will bring tears to your eyes!

[Christine W]

Yes please post it http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[John Zimm]

I agree-I'd love to see what he wrote for the mandolin.

-John.

[Eugene]

You can also download Marilynn Mair playing Beethoven's C-major sonatina for mandolin on the mp3 page (http://www.mandolincafe.com/mp3/).

[Lee]

J.S.Bach wrote six sonatas and partitas for solo violin that remained under-appreciated for centuries. This occured because of a combination of several factors. Not until the 1900's were manuscripts discovered written in Bach's own hand. Before this they were presumed to have been composed by Bach's students, partly because they are exceedingly difficult to play. They are so difficult to play in fact that it's been argued that they were excersizes in composition, and not really meant to be performed. It's a little known fact that Bach's first instrument was violin, not organ. After graduating University his first job was as first violinist for a respected chamber orchestra. So obviously he was an extremely competant violinist. The discovery of the original manuscripts was significant because not only did they prove these were Bach's own compositions, but they contain fingering and bowing markings proving that Bach wrote the sonatas and partitas intending them to be performed.
How cool if someone would transcribe them for mandolin.

[Eugene]

No transcription required given identical tuning. #They would simply require appropriate interpretation. #It was pretty trendy to play some of them on mandolin in the ca. 1900 heyday. #I saw Neil Gladd (http://www.neilgladd.com/) perform the whole of BWV 1006 on mandolin in recital. #What a workout!

[Christine W]

If I"m not mistaken, and I may be, Thile/Marshal used these(not sure if it's the same oen your speaking of) in thier recent tour they were speaking of a book of Bach pieces anyway and they transcribed them for mandolin and wrote a piece for mandocello. It was awesome mouth dropping beautiful!

[Lee]

Wow, BWV 1006 on mandolin must have been absolutely awesome!

[John Ely]

I'd love to see some of the Beethoven in tab.

[mando bandage]

I'll join the chorus. To paraphrase from The Clockwork Orange, bring on the Ludwig Van.

R

[withak]

I have a recording of a John Hartford/Chris Thile workshop where Chris Thile plays one of Bach's solo partitas for violin (I think it's 1006). It's a pretty fun to play, even though I can only make it through the first page, and very slowly at that. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Prepare to be impressed (3.92 MB). (http://www.spiralseisiun.com/erik/christhile-bachpartita.mp3)

The sheet music for that piece starts on page 40 of this file (1.09 MB) (http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/bach/sonatas_and_partitas/s%26pvl.pdf).

I'd love to see the Beethoven arranged for mando sheet music as well.

[Jim Garber]

The Beethoven (in notation) is available at a reasonable price. Mine is the Henle Edition and I bought it at Patelson's Music (http://www.patelson.com/) in New York for a little over $10.00. I am sure that your local music store can also order it.

Thile's technique and clarity are outstanding but IMHO it sounds like he drank way too much coffee. Slow down, Chris, and enjoy the music (and allow us to do the same). This ain't break your neck bluegrass!

Butch Baldassari (http://soundartrecordings.com/morecantabilebook.shtml) plays the slow minor Beethoven and it is available in notation in a book of his recordings with John Mock on guitar, but for some reason it is transposed from C minor to D minor.

[withak]

No transcription required given identical tuning. They would simply require appropriate interpretation. It was pretty trendy to play some of them on mandolin in the ca. 1900 heyday. I saw Neil Gladd (http://www.neilgladd.com/) perform the whole of BWV 1006 on mandolin in recital. What a workout!
I just remembered that Bela Fleck plays a big chunk of that one on 5-string b@nj0 on his band's "Live at the Quick" album, and probably on a lot of their live recordings you can download too. It's pretty impressive.

[NickelCreeker]

I have a recording of a John Hartford/Chris Thile workshop where Chris Thile plays one of Bach's solo partitas for violin (I think it's 1006). #It's a pretty fun to play, even though I can only make it through the first page, and very slowly at that. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Prepare #to be impressed (3.92 MB). (http://www.spiralseisiun.com/erik/christhile-bachpartita.mp3)

The sheet music for that piece starts on page 40 of this file (1.09 MB) (http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/bach/sonatas_and_partitas/s%26pvl.pdf).

I'd love to see the Beethoven arranged for mando sheet music as well.

Woah...Man, my eyes hurt just trying to read it, let alone listening to that?! Sheesh.....Id like to see that In Tabliture thats for sure! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif
#But Brovo Chris, Brovo!

[RSW]

J.S.Bach wrote six sonatas and partitas for solo violin that remained under-appreciated for centuries. #This occured because of a combination of several factors. #Not until the 1900's were manuscripts discovered written in Bach's own hand. #Before this they were presumed to have been composed by Bach's students, partly because they are exceedingly difficult to play. #They are so difficult to play in fact that it's been argued that they were excersizes in composition, and not really meant to be performed. #It's a little known fact that Bach's first instrument was violin, not organ. #After graduating University his first job was as first violinist for a respected chamber orchestra. So obviously he was an extremely competant violinist. #The discovery of the original manuscripts was significant because not only did they prove these were Bach's own compositions, but they contain fingering and bowing markings proving that Bach wrote the sonatas and partitas intending them to be performed.
How cool if someone would transcribe them for mandolin.
J.S. Bach's violin solos (Sonatas and Partitas) were known, even at the end of the 18th century. I have seen editions from this time and though not played frequently in the 19th century, nearly every violinist (soloist) worth his salt played some if not all as a matter of course. Pierre Baillot taught and played them often during the first quarter of the 19th century. There are numerous editions that were in print during the 19th century. There are recordings of the 19th century virtuosi Sarasate and Joachim, for example) playing certain movements from this collection. The music is difficult but no way is it the most difficult music (from a technical standpoint) of it's age or later (have a look at Locatelli's music). In the manuscript that has been preserved and easily available in facsimile, there is only one instance of a prescribed fingering and absolutely no instances of bowings though the phrasing is clear enough to most competent violinists to know what an appropriate bowing would be required. This manuscript is most likely what is called a 'fair' copy and not the original draft. It was written out with great care and neatness. The notes do not require any significant modifications to be adapted for mandolin. Some movements would be much easier on mandolin, some more difficult because of the nature of the writing.

[Billy Mack]

There are some Bach, Beethoven, and other classical tab files over on the co-mando site.

[Jim Garber]

There are some Bach, Beethoven, and other classical tab files over on the co-mando site.
There is one Beethoven file that for some very odd reason is in the key of F.

If you must use these file use the Cmajo Sonatine name SonatineCDur_Beethoven_Nikora.tef

Not too bad... the arranger includes some of the melodies that the pianist would play. This is a duet you know.

The Cminor one has that annoying set up of writing out all the tremelo notes. I think that is done only so the midi will sound like a mandolin. It just adds clutter on the page even in tab.

Jim

[dfxlr]

I'm a classical violinist. While the Bach E Major Partita on the mandolin is certainly impressive...it now is obvious why Bach wrote it for Violin...and, moreso, as a classical purist, I must say that the rit and various rubati are pretty distasteful and ruin the structure of the piece.

With that being said, it still is impressive.

[billkilpatrick]

me too - in tab format please. what a wonderful book to find!

[Brad Weiss]

Quick note: If you've got tabledit, you can easily import midi files and convert them to tab. #There are tons of sites with midi files of Bach Partitas and Beethoven Sonatas - I've been working on Bach's Cello suites, too, shifted to the friendlier key of D (but if you play mandola, they're great in the orginal G).

Try this page (http://www.bachcentral.com/midiindex.html) for Bach midi, and this one (http://www.classicalarchives.com/midi/b.html#BEETHOVEN) for Beethoven, but there are MANY more.

Oh, and I'm sure someone will tell you to learn to read notation if you want to learn this stuff- yeah, it can't hurt, but I'm so much more fluent in tab (and can piece out notation enough to translate it to tab!) that I prefer it.

[Philip Halcomb]

Thile's technique and clarity are outstanding but IMHO it sounds like he drank way too much coffee.
A single-malt'll straighten that boy right out... http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Stephanie Reiser]

Nickel Creeker, thanks for the link to Chris playing 1006.
Have you noticed that at first there were lots of people talking in the background, but then later, after they realized what was happening before them they all quieted down? I went to a Creek concert and Chris played that 1006. I used to play it on Classical guitar where it is known as the 4th Lute Suite. John Williams plays it about that fast and I have a violin CD where the performer plays it about that fast as well. Chris is surely an amazing player.

[barricwiley]

giverin, Please add me to the list with all the others that want the tab.
Thanks,
Richard