Minkoff Reprint

[Jim Garber]

Eugene, in his infinite wisdom, recommended the triple-threat reprint by Minkoff in this thread (http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=25;t=35928;hl=minkoff).


If you're willing to explore western "classical" music, solo styles have been evolving for the whole of the history of the existence of modern mandolin. There are great solo variations rife with swept arpeggios, triplet patterns, and split-string techniques from the 1760s on. Look into the mandolin methods of Leone and Denis especially:

Minkoff. 1983. Methodes de Mandoline including Leoné (1768) Méthode Raisonnée pour Passer du Violon à la Mandoline et de l’Archet à la Plume, Fouchetti (1771) Méthode pour Apprendre Facilement à Jouer de la Mandoline à Quatre et à Six Cordes, & Denis (1768, 1769, 1773) Méthode pour Apprendre à Jouer de la Mandoline sans Maitre, vols. 1-3. Minkoff Reprint, Geneva.

I was able to get a slightly used copy from Amazon UK and it arrived today. Amazing how occasionally the mails can work so well even across the pond. I ordered this on July 5 and received it 5 days later.

Anyway, I remeber someone mentioning that there are a coupl of blank pages: page 35 in Leone method is left blank; page 7 in Fouchetti; page 11 in Denis.

It looks like these were left off intentionally to avoid page turns or were any possibly missing from the original books that these were copied from?

In any case, these look like a great buy and should keep me busy for awhile. I think I have the Denis in photocopy somewhere and I believe that I have played the Fouchetti with Victor during one of our duet sessions, so I might have that somewhere. OTOH it is nice to have the Leone and to have it all in one book.

Jim

[margora]

Good thing, Jim, you got a used copy. Buying Minkoff product on a regular basis for Minkoff prices is a sure ticket to personal bankruptcy.

[Jim Garber]

Yes, it was lucky... I just did a search and there was a seller called (of all things) mandobass. Lovely gent from the UK. I invited him to come visit here.

Jim

[etbarbaric]

Hi Jim,

Congrats on finding the methods. #Great stuff!


Anyway, I remeber someone mentioning that there are a coupl of blank pages: page 35 in Leone method is left blank; page 7 in Fouchetti; page 11 in Denis.

It looks like these were left off intentionally to avoid page turns or were any possibly missing from the original books that these were copied from?

I don't believe any pages are missing from the Minkoff reprint of these books. #I think this has come up before though, when someone else bought the facsimile. #As you may recall, I have access to an original printing of Part II of Denis' method. #Sometimes only one side of a page is used, sometimes both. #I'm sure that Minkoff just did what made sense for their layout, without necessarily echoing the layout of the original printing(s). #Its also possible that individual prints may have been foliated somewhat differently due to the whims of the printer. #The Minkoff foliation of Denis Part II doesn't match mine, for instance, but all of the printed matter is there.

Now you just need an 18th-century mando! #:-)

Eric

[Jim Garber]

Eric:
I was just listening to the Ensemble Baschenis recordings vol. 1 and 2 of the Early Mandolin and I thought of you. I( was trying to figure out (while in the car without the notes) what type of mandolin was playing at any given piece. Interesting. I love that gut sound tho.

Jim

[etbarbaric]

Hi Jim. #Thanks for thinking of me! #:-)

Where did you get your Ensemble Baschenis recordings? I tried to pick one of these up a few years ago with no luck.

Best,

ERic

[Alex Timmerman]

Hi Jim,


Anyway, I remeber someone mentioning that there are a coupl of blank pages: page 35 in Leone method is left blank; page 7 in Fouchetti; page 11 in Denis.


In the Minkoff reprint there is a blanc page between page 34 and 35 in the Leone tutor.

Page 7 in Fouchetti Method contains an explanation on ´Gamme de la Mandoline a quatre cordes,...´, so you probably miss that in your Minkhoff copy.

And in Denis´Treatise there is on page 11 a 2nd Variation (Presto) on the ´Air de la petite Laitiere´ on page 10.

Perhaps you can check this in your copy and if indeed you miss these two pages because they are left black, I´ll be happy to mail you scans of them.


Best,

Alex.

[Jim Garber]

Thanks, Alex.

The Fouchetti in Minkoff is numbered 1-18 in the beginning, explanatory section. Then there are the duets when the page numbering starts again from 1. After page 6 (marked "Marche 6e") is a blank page followed by page 8 which is marked "Sonata Prima."

In the first part of the Denis method, page 11 is blank after page 10 which says "Coup de plume..." at the top and before page 12 which is entitled "Capricio".

Jim

[Alex Timmerman]

If that is the case Jim, your Minkhoff copy is all right http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

Greetings, Alex

[margora]

My wife and I went to the Amherst Early Music Festival yesterday, held in New London, CT. OMI, which is the US distributor of Minkoff, was displaying at the exhibition. They had a new copy of the Leone, etc. Very nice, but too rich for my blood at $98.00 in paperback.

[Jim Garber]

OMI (Old Manuscripts & Incunabula) lists the following publications for sale on their Lute Page (http://www.omifacsimiles.com/cats/lute.html) under mandolin:

BARBELLA, Emanuele, 1718-1777
[Duets, violins/mandolines, bc ad lib.] Six Duettos for 2 Violins or 2 Mandolines with an optional Bass. A Facsimile of the Original Printing with Notes by Neil Gladd. [Library of Congress, Washington, D.C.].
Arlington, 1983. 22 x 29 cm, 3 parts: ii, 34 pp. Line-cut of the Paris, late 18th-c. edition. Wrappers. $15 [item no.4747]


BONI, Pietro Giuseppe Gaetano, 18th c.
[Divertimenti, violin/violone/cembalo/recorder/mandoline] Divertimenti per camera à violino, violone, cimbalo, flauto e mandola. Roma s.d.
Archivum Musicum: Flauto Traversiere, 2. Florence, 1985. Oblong, 32 x 23 cm, v, 43 pp. Line-cut of the Rome, c.1717-27 editions. 12 divertimenti. Introduction in It by Marcello Castellani. Wrappers, in decorative paper. $24 [item no.1251]

CORRETTE, Michel, 1709-1795
[Method, mandoline] Nouvelle méthode pour apprendre à jouer en très peu de temps de la mandoline. Préface de François Lesure.
Geneva, 1984. 17 x 24 cm, vii, 50 pp. Line-cut of the Lyon & Dunkerque edition, Paris, 1772. Discusses the hold, tuning and fingering of the instrument, as well as “coups de plume”, ornamentation and realization of figured bass. Pieces for 2 mandolines or for mandoline and bass. Wrappers. $34 [item no.999]

LAROUSSIÈRE, 17th c.
Mandor Buch. Schermar-Bibliothek, Stadtbibliothek, Ulm, Sign. misc 239].
Faksimile-Edition Schermar-Bibliothek Ulm, 38. Stuttgart, 1997. Oblong, 15 x 10 cm, 112 pp. Line-cut of a ms collection for mandoline, c.1620, in French tablature. Contains fantasies, sarabands, pavanes, gavottes, brandles, etc. Hardbound, in vegetable vellum. $44 [item no.7465]

RUGE, Filippo, c.1725-c.1767
[Duetts, 2 flutes/mandolins/violins] Duetti a due flauti traversi, o due mandolini, o violini. [Bibliothèque Municipale, Toulouse].
La Flûte Retrouvée, 8. Béziers, 1993. 21 x 28 cm, 28 pp. Line-cut of the Paris, 1767 edition. Wrappers. $23 [item no.4605]


Schoenberg, Arnold. Arrangements of Funiculi-Funicula (Luigi Denza); Ständchen (Franz Schubert). Weil I a alter Drahrer bin (Johann Sioly)
Pacific Palisades, 1974 4˚, 12, 18 pp. Score and parts. Scored respecitively for vln, mandolin, cl, vla, guitar & vc; cl, bsn, mandolin, guitar, vln I/II, vla, vc; vln, mandolin, cl, vla, guitar, vc. $30 [item no.6550]


That Barbella edition might be the Plucked String one.

Jim

[margora]

The Barbella is definitely Plucked String. I own a copy of the Corrette. Typical high quality Minkoff at typical Minkoff price.

[Pietrobono]

Hello All !

To be as accurate as possible, I must correct what Alex said about the Leone's page. It is a missing page between 34 and 36 (not 35 !), as 36 is not clearly printed, but the next one is clearly 37...

For real purists, I must add that in some of the exemplaries of the National Bibliotheque in Paris, some "page 35" were completed, one but the signature of Leone (a really white page edition), one another by a full text in italian "Al Lettore" which explains his musical cursus, what he wanted to do and "Spiega de Segni" which explains shortly some of the signs he uses (strokes, corda divisa, use of thumb...), this being probably another edition.

There where several printings of this tutor in France, by several editors, and even an english version. By the way if someone here has a copy of the english edition, I would be VERY thankful if he could inform me !

[Alex Timmerman]

Hello Jean-Paul,

Good to see you here again! And yes you are quite right with regard to the page numbers in the Leone Tutor

'It is a missing page between 34 and 36 (not 35 !), as 36 is not clearly printed, but the next one is clearly 37...'


I have of course checked the Minkhof edition again and found out that in the Gabriel Leone edition that they used not only the unclear page number 36 is followed by 37, but also that the digit 6 of the page figure 36 is (more or less) the same smallish one as was used for page 26.
The page numbers 6, 16 and again those on page 46, 56 and 66 in the Leone Tutor are printed with a much bigger digit 6.
Perhaps the (original) engraver of the text M.me Vendôme used different stamps for the digit 6 in this edition.

No matter how small these little details are; they are always interesting! See also the attached photos of the difference in the use of the digit 6 on the page numbers.

I will also check the Gabriel Leone Tutor we have in the Gemeentemuseum in the Hague and inform you if something interesting comes up. #


Best,

Alex

[Eugene]

Where did you get your Ensemble Baschenis recordings? I tried to pick one of these up a few years ago with no luck.
I just noticed that this had gone unanswered. I got The Early Mandolin from Ensemble Baschenis' director Giorgio Ferraris directly. Vol. 2 came of a courteous exchange of niceties with another Cafe-er. If still interested, Eric, you might want to drop a line to Giorgio. He's a nice guy.

[Jim Garber]

Their web site: Ensemble Baschenis (http://www.baschenis.com/eng/home_eng.htm).

Jim