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Fliss
Mar-20-2006, 3:15pm
I know it's a long way from where most of you are, but I thought you'd be interested to hear I discovered a new shop that sells guitars and mandolins. Actually, it's not a shop as such but a stall on the Market in the city centre of Chester. But they had an interesting variety of mandolins there, including a 1995 Gibson Master Model and a 1950s Martin flat top.

As you may know, I'm not far advanced from being a beginner, so before I say anything else, I'll qualify my opinions of the mandolins I tried by stating that these are entirely my own very inexpert opinions!

I asked if I could try the Gibson, as I've never played one of these, so I was interested to see how it would feel and sound to me. It was certainly a beautiful mandolin, an A-style, with a fantastic glow to the wood, for want of a better description. The sound wasn't what I'd be looking for myself, as I like the warmer sound you get with a flat top rather than the brighter sound of an arched top, but it was certainly nice.

The Martin didn't appeal to me, I was quite surprised. It sounded a bit thin, for want of a better description.

They also had a cheap Washburn which I tried, and I must confess I liked the sound from it, and it seemed louder than the Gibson, though it was nowhere near as appealing in other ways!

What I'm curious about is how the prices compare, in terms of value. I'm not tempted to buy any of these mandolins, although I enjoyed playing them, but I'd be intrested to know for future reference, and I'm not sufficiently aware of prices on Gibsons, for example, to know if this shop offers good value or not. The Gibson was priced at £1550, and the Martin at around £500. Does this sound reasonable value?

On a side note, as a near-beginner I was delighted that in trying out the mandolins I managed to produce a reasonable-sounding rendition of Pat Galvin's Hornpipe and a few other tunes, the stallholder seemed quite impressed and suggested we should jam sometime!!!!

Fliss

Greenmando
Mar-20-2006, 11:58pm
Before you get too excited, The "Master Model" was not made yet in 1995.
Check a thread I started here Gibson Master Model? misleading? (http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=13;t=32245;hl=master+model+ misleading) .

All Gibson labels have master model on them, but that does not necessarily make them a "Master Model". Easier to read the thread than repeat it here.

Fliss
Mar-21-2006, 1:49am
Most interesting. It definitely pays to ask questions here before leaping to any conclusions! A little knowledge can be a very dangerous thing.

Don't worry, if I'd thought this was a fantastic bargain and just what I wanted I might have got excited about it, but since I have no idea of the relative values of different Gibsons and wasn't thinking of buying it anyway, I'm not going to be disappointed!

It did indeed say "master model" on the label, but not with the capital "M"s that were on the big label they'd put on it advertising it for sale! It sounds like something that could be an easy mistake to make on the part of the seller.

From that thread you linked to, it sounds as if the price, if it had been a Master Model, would be very low. For a master model with small "M"s, is it high, then, or about what you'd expect? If the latter, it's curious that the seller would have labelled it wrong but priced it right!

I wonder if a Master Model with capital "M"s would have had a sound that would have knocked me out more?

Fliss

chuck.naill
Mar-21-2006, 5:01am
Fliss said:

They also had a cheap Washburn which I tried, and I must confess I liked the sound from it, and it seemed louder than the Gibson, though it was nowhere near as appealing in other ways!

I think that as you progress in the tonal journey, loudness will become less important and other qualities will become preferred.

I have seen the same thing in fiddles where someone will hand me one and say try this one, it real loud. It will cut through any banjo or guitar. I play it and they are correct, but....

When you remember that the professionals use sound systems and that most play softly and use only the amount of notes that they are able while maintain good tone, it is a lesson to me to go an do likewise.

The other day I was trying out a Martin D-18GE, which I bought, and another player was tryong out a Collings. When heard what song he was playing, I provided him with some backup and started struming with my fingers so that you could hear his lead part better. I think this illustrates a good point about why the Gibson might be a better choice by allowing a better tone when taking the lead and playing backup to enhance those taking the lead.

Complimentry music sound better than competitive music.

Chuck


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Fliss
Mar-21-2006, 6:51am
Chuck, I appreciate your comments, but you don't have to convince me, I already agree with you. I chose my Garrison flat top for its warmth and sustain, which I love.

The volume is simply what struck me about the Washburn. In wondering if a different Gibson would have impressed me more, I didn't mean louder necessarily, I just meant that the tone of the one I played didn't grab me, and I don't know if a different one might have different qualities which might. It's all part of the learning process!

Fliss

Big Joe
Mar-21-2006, 8:49am
It sounds like you tried a Gibson A5L. They can be very nice mandolins. The one you looked at was from a different era but if set up properly can be a very good mandolin. The price you quoted was about average for the instrument. Assuming it is in good condition but just needs some set up work, you should be able to get many good years of service from it and it should be able to deliver great tone and volume.

Ray(T)
Mar-21-2006, 12:37pm
Which day is this market? I'd like to take a look next time I'm in town.

Fliss
Mar-21-2006, 1:34pm
Hi, Ray, nice to meet someone else who's from relatively nearby!

The market hall is in the Forum by Chester Town Hall, so it's always there, but I don't know whether that stall is there every day or not. It was Saturday when I went.

Fliss

Dave Hanson
Apr-03-2006, 1:37am
Hi Fliss, did the Gibson A have f holes or a round hole, I prefer the sound of the round hole ones myself, a much warmer sound, although ' sound ' is subjective, I play a 1917 Gibson A which has a round hole and it sounds beautiful, on the other hand I also have a 1950s Gibson A40/50 f hole mandolin and it's a dog, fit for busking only.

Old Martins tend to sound more like bowl backs, a bit on the thin side.

Dave H