Gilchrist prices [Archive] - Mandolin Cafe Forum

johnM

Mar-19-2006, 10:44pm

I just can't figure out the huge numbers we're talking about for these mandolins. What musician, no less BLUEGRASS musician can afford to pay 25G's for something without a hood or a roof.

I noticed on Comptons MSN review there's a picture of Mike and Dave, I think they're both playing Gil's. How do they do it? I've been playing bluegrass for a number of years and some of them have been busy and I don't think collectivly I've made $25K.

I've also just had the opportunity to have purchaced a Buddy Davis that has had a pretty rough life. Now, I really stole this instrument and the sound is simply out of this world but there's not a day that goes by that I'm not astounded at what that thing sounds like despite the fact I'm playing it. But I seriously can't imagine something 25 times BETTER than what I have.

Now PLEASE don't get me wrong, If I HAD that much money to spend on an instrument I know in a new york minute that I'd do it but I don't and more than likely never will.

Sorry for ranting!!!!
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F5G WIZ

Mar-19-2006, 11:26pm

Economics, supply and demand. Gilchrist makes a fine, fine mandolin this is true. Are there other small builders out there building just as good a mandolin? Yes I'd say there are. But when a builder has a multiyear waiting list like Gil or Dude and a person wants a mando from that builder and has enough money to get what they want that person will pay for it. Now eventually that small builder will get a high profile picker like MCcoury,Compton or Thile to play their mando exclusively and demand for that brand will rise. As long as supply remains stable the price for those mandos will also rise, and people will pay it. I'm sure Gilchrist and Dude started out the same way. They didn't make their first Mandolin and sell it for 25Gs. They started small with a good instrument, worked hard to market it to the right musicians and their hard work finally paid off. It's the american dream, or in Gilchrists case the Australian dream. Good for them!

Ken Sager

Mar-19-2006, 11:27pm

I just can't figure out the huge numbers we're talking about for these mandolins. What musician, no less BLUEGRASS musician can afford to pay 25G's for something without a hood or a roof.
Hood or a roof? For 25k it should at least be double-wide!

Kidding aside, I've seen a couple Gil F5's go for less than that lately. I don't know if it's a trend, but 19-22k isn't out of the question.

Folks pay what folks want to pay, regardless of what you and I think (or might want to pay).

Love to all,
Ken

F5G WIZ

Mar-19-2006, 11:31pm

One more thing, like Scotti has in his tag line "Money spent on a good mandolin isn't spent it's parked." You can always get your money back or more on resale of one of these instruments. Beleive me that also has something to do with it. Your more apt to spend that kind of money if you know your Mando will still be worth what you paid or more ten years from now.

jim_n_virginia

Mar-20-2006, 1:50am

I talked with Mike Compton briefly after a concert here in Norfolk and he said he got his first Gil a long time ago when Gilchrist was first making them.

I'd say he made a GREAT investment! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif

F5G WIZ

Mar-20-2006, 3:08am

It's a gamble to buy a new mando from a new builder but if you like what you have purchased, even if the builder doesn't reach the penticle of the elite builders, what have you lost? #Nothing. #If your lucky your builder makes it big but then again if you don't plan to ever sell it what difference does it make. #Compton has a mando he loves actually two. #As long as he is happy with what he has thats what counts.

kudzugypsy

Mar-20-2006, 5:21am

remember guys, mike compton didnt just pick up the mando a few years ago, and neither did many of the present gil owners - MANY bought these way back when they were no more than a used flatiron sells for now. i passed up a NICE gil in 1993 for $3500 because i thought that was TOO MUCH for a dang mandolin! most of the people i know with gils got on the waiting list, and waited 2-3 years and paid no more than $8000.....but that was before the internet - (ahh, that was a great time) now everyone wants one - and you CANT get on the list - #and they are gonna cost you $25K.
i personally think the height of the price appreciation has no doubt cooled, as in years past, a used gil would be gone in minutes, now it takes a few weeks or more - the ones i have heard of that actually SELL are somewhere in the $22K range.
but you know, things ARE different now - there are A LOT more options for mandolin players now in the way of REALLY good instruments - some people are waking up to that fact and not chasing the name on the headstock - you can STILL get a gil quality mando now for $6-12K depending on how much notoriety the builder has aquired. that just wasnt the case back in the 80's-early 90's when your options were fewer.

mythicfish

Mar-20-2006, 5:42am

"you can STILL get a gil quality mando now for $6-12K depending on how much notoriety the builder has aquired. that just wasnt the case back in the 80's-early 90's when your options were fewer. "

Right you are! These are the "good old days".

Curt

bluegrassjack2

Mar-20-2006, 6:34am

What about David Long though, he has not had his Gil for a long, I dont think.

G. Fisher

Mar-20-2006, 6:52am

I am not sure when David Long got his Gil. But I think a better question would be how do the players with Loars afford them? Alan Bibey got his about five years ago when prices were jumping up and Ronnie McCoury just got one last fall.

JimRichter

Mar-20-2006, 7:13am

What about David Long though, he has not had his Gil for a long, I dont think.
I was going to stay out of this thread, but it has become a bit silly--it's like the mandolin geek equivalent of the National Enquirer.

What business is it of yours or any one else's how David Long got his mandolin (or Bibey or McCoury got their Loars)? #David is a 1st class mandolinist and he acquired the tools for the job he is trying to accomplish, as any other 1st class mandolinist would. #

Some of you spend entirely too much speculating how much John Reischman paid for his new Master Model, or why Matt Flinner sold his Gil, or how much Sam Bush got paid to endorse/have a signature Gibson. #It is shameful. #

Frankly, I often wonder--given that I'm a barely $35K a year social worker with 3 kids and a mortgage who only owns one mandolin and had to clear out a closet to get it--how some of you can constantly afford the stuff you buy. #The number of you who constantly have this on order or that on order. #I know some are doing pretty well financially. #Why don't those who've been questioning the pros (who actually use their mandolins to make a living) explain how you got your mandolins? Maybe there should be full financial disclosure. #Kinda tough to do so when the roles are reversed.

I'm a bit testy this AM I admit. #But quit clucking like a bunch of old hens. #If you want to discuss GIl prices, do so. #I did as much personally with Steve Gilchrist a few nights ago. #But it's none of your business how these professional artists get their instruments.

Jim

skippy

Mar-20-2006, 7:50am

Jim - I agree

Just to add one small point

Just think of how much practice time you could have in as opposed to discussing how people afford their gear...

There is a reason you don't see the best of the best in speculating on prices, incomes, and means.

mandopete

Mar-20-2006, 9:14am

Here's some historical data from the classifieds...

(and #3000 from me to boot!)

Gilchrist F-5 (S/N 96346) $23,500.00 7/26/2004
Gilchrist 1989 F-5 (S/N 0188) $21,500.00 8/7/2004
Gilchrist F-5 (S/N 01499) $23,500.00 9/14/2004
Gilchrist F-5 (S/N 96340) $24,000.00 10/5/2004
Gilchrist 1998 F-5 (S/N 419) $25,000.00 10/17/2004
Gilchrist 1996 F-5 $24,500.00 10/30/2004
Gilchrist 1998 F-5 $22,500.00 11/9/2004
Gilchrist 1998 F-5 $21,000.00 12/31/2004
Gilchrist F-5 (S/N 505) $26,000.00 4/10/2005
Gilchrist 1992 F-5 $24,500.00 4/12/2005
Gilchrist 1979 F-5 (S/N 7975) $22,500.00 4/21/2005
Gilchrist 1991 F-5 (S/N 249) $25,000.00 6/4/2005
Gilchrist 2001 F-5 (S/N 517) $25,000.00 6/4/2005
Gilchrist 1994 F-5 Model 5 $23,000.00 7/21/2005
Gilchrist 1996 F-5 $22,000.00 8/10/2005
Gilchrist 1996 F-5 (F-4 conversion) $11,500.00 8/20/2005
Gilchrist 1979 F-5 (S/N 7975) $22,500.00 8/22/2005
Gilchrist 1997 F-5 $22,500.00 9/13/2005
Gilchrist 1981 F-5 $21,500.00 11/1/2005
Gilchrist 1981 F-5 $20,000.00 11/29/2005
Gilchrist Model 5 $26,000.00 3/2/2006
Gilchrist 1985 F-5 $25,000.00 3/16/2006

G. Fisher

Mar-20-2006, 9:27am

Jim I think you are way out of line with your chastisement of the people that have added to this thread.

Yes we are mando geeks and this is not the first time this question has been asked. And to be honest I don't care if they are pro's who make a living playing or some guy that just bought a Loar I just wonder how they can afford it. It's not some big investigation into their financial records just people wondering about it.

As far as how I do it. I spend my money on my softball habit and my mando habit.

Bluegrass Boy

Mar-20-2006, 9:28am

Wow Jim, shameful? #Strong words. #This is an internet discussion forum. #What else are we going to do but discuss this stuff, play? #Enquiring minds want to know. #Of course, I'm more like you. I work for a living, I have one nice mandolin, a Collings MT2, and I'm glad to have it. #I actually plucked a DMM over the weekend. #I play left handed so I couldn't really play it, but it could have ruined my MT2 for me. #I just have to remember to be happy with what I have.

Big Joe

Mar-20-2006, 9:29am

I've said it before and I'll say it again (I've never claimed not to be verbose http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ). A good mandolin as a hobby is not overpriced if you enjoy it and have the means to obtain it. Think of those who buy bass boats. They run well over 25K for a new one, and Bass Pro shop sells them all day long. What about golf? If you have a membership in a good club, buy a cart, buy the clothes and equipment, and pay a years worth of green fees you will easily spend as much as on a good mandolin. What about fishing or hunting or woodworking or http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif. The cost of any hobby is as great as one is willing to invest. You can begin woodworking with a couple hundred dollars in tools, but if you plan on doing anything but basic projects you may spend thousands on tools and equipment and supplies. No different than buying a mandolin. If you really want a Gil or any other brand, you will find a way to afford it. Until then, it probably is a mystery why one would spend so much. I thank that way about lots of hobbies people have. I can't imagine collecting stamps but there can be a lot of money invested in that. Same with watches. You can spend hundreds of thousands on a really cool watch that does not keep time as good as a ten dollar quartz watch, but some people cannot live without them. More power to them. Money is usually not as much an issue as desire. If you have the desire, you will find a way to obtain what you want. It may take time, but you will get there. Until then, just enjoy what you have. Different strokes for different folks.

SurebetVA

Mar-20-2006, 9:42am

Truck drivers who own their own rigs often pay $150k-$175k for their trucks so they can make a living. I am not surprised if some professional musicians would spend the same amount for their tool of trade. Both seem outrageous to me but I still can't believe gas is over $1 a gallon. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

JimRichter

Mar-20-2006, 9:42am

Wow Jim, shameful? #Strong words. #This is an internet discussion forum. #What else are we going to do but discuss this stuff, play? #Enquiring minds want to know.

This internet discussion is for discussing mandolins--and not questioning how someone is able to afford a mandolin.

My whole bit about asking how those of you involved in the gossipping afford your mandolins is meant to be sardonic. #I don't care how you got your mandolins--that is your business as is how I got mine. #My point is give these musicians their privacy too, especially with issues that don't concern us. #

You can discuss the mandolin that the player owns or how he plays it, but it seems to me that to go beyond that reveals some other motive that I don't think has any place here. Of course, I'm not a moderator so you guys can continue on as you will.

As far as my strong words--Yes they were. #

Jim

kyblue

Mar-20-2006, 9:44am

I'm with Jim (you old curmudgeon.)

It's one thing to discuss Gilchrist prices, another to gossip about how someone else afforded something. And, to me, that part does just sound like gossip.

I afford my habit by neglecting some things around my house and driving a older car so that I don't have a car payment. I'm also single and don't have responsibilities for anyone else. Not that it's anyone's business!

Paula

2001 Duff A5 2p
2004 Brock Octave
2004 Gibson A9 that never gets played

JimRichter

Mar-20-2006, 9:48am

The sad thing is, Paula, is that I'm feeling like an old curmudgeon. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Jim

JimRichter

Mar-20-2006, 9:55am

Jim I think you are way out of line with your chastisement of the people that have added to this thread.

My point is if I started a thread about how G.Fisher could afford all the instruments he has at such a young age, I would be run out of here on a rail. #It's none of my business or anyone else's business how you have an arms length worth of mandolins. #That's your business. #

Why is it that someone who is at the pro level is somehow exempt from this same privilege? #Mike Compton and David Long, as well as many of the other mandolinsists mentioned, are friends of the Cafe and periodically review this forum. #How does it make them feel to see themselves in such a light? #It does not reflect favorably on those involved.

Pro musicians do all kinds of inside trading amongst each other. #They get endorsement deals for free picks, strings, and sometimes even free instruments. #In the case of Gibson (and Big Joe can speak to this), they'll give an instrument on loan to an artist as long as they play it out. #Some got into the high dollar mando biz early, etc. #Frankly, I don't concern myself with how the artist got their instrument--I'm concerned more with how they play it.

This thread started as a question about how Gil prices got where they are. #A discussion of how pro use and influence affects prices is fair game. #But to go beyond that and alter the thread by discussing how they afford their instruments is not part of that discussion.

Jim

SternART

Mar-20-2006, 9:55am

I'm with Big Joe & Richter on this one.....
Hey a pickup truck costs $25k...a lot of us have them new trucks........how did we get them? Monthly payments.
I remember Reischman taking out a loan to get his Loar. I received my first Gil in 1993 for $4k. I had just paid
off my pickup truck a year before I placed the order for my Gil, I was used to the monthly payment & just kept putting
the same amount away in the mando fund. That is how I did it. Where is the truck now? I just used up the one I got after that truck. A lot of folks who by whatever means bought a Gil back in those days could have sold it for a profit along the line, or ordered another one the same way...picked the one they liked best & sold the other one. There are a lot of folks who collected, bought & sold instruments, as the prices went up, and some traded up to vintage instruments. If you invest in things that you love sometimes you get lucky & they appreciate in value. Boy I wish I had kept that AC Cobra I owned in my college days, it is worth over 10 pickup trucks now......or I wish I bought a house here in the Bay Area back in the day. I could never afford one now.

So speculating on how folks could afford something is too weird of a subject. As I recall from the Mike Compton or Gilchrist articles in Mandolin Magazine, Mike was one of the very first mando pickers in Nashville to order a Gilchrist, when Steve was still working at Gruhn's, so he got in early. And I've noticed pro players selling instruments too, right here on the Cafe, including valuable vintage instruments worth three or four Gils. I hope the Cafe doesn't get too much like the gossip rags.....man I wonder how many times Compton got lucky this month?......I hear F5Loar has a honey on the side, or that SternART, I hear he got divorced & he must have a side job as a bookie to own his instruments. I worked darn hard to earn the money to buy instruments because I love them & they bring joy to my life. I probably should have bought a house instead, but at least I can play the music I love, on instruments that make my heart sing & my soul feel creative so I can make my art. We all make decisions in life. Sometimes they work out good. Wish I had taken out a loan like Reischman & bought a Loar for $10k
back in the day...but a Gil was all I could swing at the time.

Bill James

Mar-20-2006, 10:07am

You guys have permission to discuss how I was able to get my hands on a Brentrup, I haven't been able to figure it out http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Seriously though, maybe some of these players are starting to make some decent money. Is that possible? I hope so. Great players with great mandolins, what a nice combo!

bsimmers

Mar-20-2006, 10:22am

I'm happy to be playing a '91 Flatiron and '02 Weber Gallitin, thank you very much. I'm also glad that a guy that picks like Bibey has a Loar, and Compton has a Gil. It's none of my business! BUT, if I could pick like Bibey, I'd sell all instruments, re-mortgage my house, whatever, and buy the best I could find. I'm not saying you have to be really good to have a really good mandolin. But I sure don't expect to see Sam Bush playing a Hondo. EXCEPTION: Jethro Burns playing a Washburn, right off the rack.
Bob

Bluegrass Boy

Mar-20-2006, 10:27am

Hey, I don't begrudge anyone an expensive instrument if they can swing it. However, thinking that people wont discuss and speculate about people who make their living by being in the public eye is kinda quaint. Yeah, we should be concerned with our own lives, but let's face it, these guys are sort of our heroes. We want to know how they play what they play and how they do what they do. Even beyond the point where it's our business. Watcha gonna do? It's just human nature. I'd hope that most of these guys have long since gotten over what anyone says about them in an internet forum. You think Ricky Skaggs pays attention to what we say about him here?

jmcgann

Mar-20-2006, 10:34am

The fact is: with a few exceptions (and not talking about The Entertainment Industry, but Actual Music Played By Real People Who Aren't Dancing and Miming to tracks), full-time performing musicians without other means of income don't make a lot of money unless they are playing music that draws huge crowds constantly. In some countries, artists get government support to help them lead creative lifestyles (i.e. The Netherlands).

At the same time, a good luthier is entitled to earn what the market will bear. The amount of hours that go into building a fine instrument are many, and the hourly wage doesn't always boil down to what a plumber* makes.

Do all the great instruments go into the hands of full-time performing musicians? 'tis not possible.

Do you need a $25k mando to make great music? Nahh...

(CUE PINK FLOYD): Monayyy...

So what. If you have a great instrument and love and cherish it, and have the perspective that somewhere, someone is dreaming of owning one as nice as yours, then love it and cherish it!

Play the best you can and have a great time on whatever instrument. Ain't that what it's all about, Alfie?

======
* BTW- I have nothing against plumbers! I use the trade as an example of a craft that is generally adequately compensated. I should know, I just paid one!

JimRichter

Mar-20-2006, 10:39am

I don't think these guys care about what others are saying about them. #I think each of us should care about what we say cause it ultimately reflects either good or bad upon us.

Jim

fatt-dad

Mar-20-2006, 10:54am

. . . Continuing with the whole "discussion board" philosophy.

I think that "mandopete" contributed the best reply. I think his summary of prices is great and hope he has the patience to keep it up! I also agree with JimR and BigJoe, folks create ways to follow their passions and how they get there is up to them.

With respect to the other perspective, somewhere in the mix I'm counting the deadly sins - I may be up to three.

fatt spending-big-if-I-ever-get-good-enough dad

red7flag

Mar-20-2006, 10:57am

I have worked hard to become a mediocre musician. I was born with love for music but not much talent to play it. I have been fortunate to buy instruments that most would consider way beyond my playing level. I often sacrificed other aspects of my life to be able to get them, so be it. I get inspired by the sound of a great instrument. Each time I have bought one, I find myself writing music from the exploring of the instrument. Am I worthy? Probably not. Do I appreciate and love the instruments? Most definately. You decide. I already have.
Tony

grandmainger

Mar-20-2006, 11:09am

I like nice things... I buy them if and when I can, at whatever price they are (meaning I don't have many)... A genuine Rolex costs a lot, and will probably never be taken to 300ft under water, but it's still a nice watch (to some). Not every Porsche owner is a racing driver, but that doesn't mean they don't get a kick out of driving one... It's their cash... Would I buy a $25K if I could afford one? Probably... I'll just be a bad player with a top mandolin http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif but it's not like I'll be depriving someone else by doing so... http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif
Germain

sgarrity

Mar-20-2006, 11:23am

You've probably heard the old joke, "Why does a divorce cost so much? Because it's worth it!" And the same goes for a Gil. I didn't really get the whole Gil thing until about a month ago. I was at a Two High String Band concert listening to Billy Bright. It was a small, intimate venue and I was about 10' away. The sound was just amazing. That's got to be one of the loudest mandolins on the planet. And it doesn't sacrifice tone to get it either. The notes just pop out at you. It almost sounds like a machine gun firing a volley. Now of course Billy is an amazing player and I know it wouldn't sound that good in my hands. But that mandolin still has something special that most others don't have.

And the fact of the matter is that most of us can't really "afford" the instruments we have. All of my non-musical friends think I'm crazy as a ****house rat for owning the ones that I do. But I drive an older truck and live in a relatively inexpensive condo so that I can buy what I want. And unlike expensive cars, boats, watches, etc. good mandolins usually appreciate if you keep them a few years.

Shaun

Big Joe

Mar-20-2006, 11:30am

Right on SternART. No one could have said it better. Especially the part about making our lives better with the music and giving an outlet for our creative side. I think I'll steal that line in the future http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .

Jim Rowland

Mar-20-2006, 11:31am

I could buy a Gil if I wanted to. Since I started learning to play at age 69,it is not likely that I will reach a skill level that would require one. Instead,I have spent well over the price of great mandolin trying to build one. I love it. That's my poison. You name your own.
Jim

Greg H.

Mar-20-2006, 11:41am

If you want to be a carpenter you'd need a work truck, power tools etc., a house painter would certainly need a work truck as well as multiple ladders. Most of the carpenters or painters I've known also have a separate vehicle for home/personal use. What's the difference? Both the truck/tools/ladders and the mandolin are going to be written off the taxes as business expenses. (Ok, the mandolin will be worth as much or more later, while the truck/tools drop exponentially in value as soon as they're bought). It seems strange for us hobbyists to sit and scratch our heads on professionals spending that much on a tool of the trade because we can't find a way to do if for fun.

BTW How many of you have seen a fancy bass boat parked outside a doublewide??? There seem to be an awful lot of them out there.

G. Fisher

Mar-20-2006, 11:46am

luckylarue

Mar-20-2006, 12:17pm

Yawn...

Ray Neuman

Mar-20-2006, 12:27pm

I consider myself an avg/good player. I own a washburn, (A from overseas) and enjoy that mandolin. I am currently playing an oval Brentrup and love that thing! Best mandolin I have ever played.

Would I buy one like the Brentrup if I could? In a heart beat. Lets face facts, even playing music isnt "rational" so trying to reason a huge expense like a Gilcrest isnt going to happen. People spend money many ways, and as long as the family has housing, food and everyone is on the same page, there isnt any reason not to applaude their good taste.

the grateful professir

Dave Dearnley

Mar-20-2006, 12:35pm

I just can't figure out the huge numbers we're talking about for these mandolins. What musician, no less BLUEGRASS musician can afford to pay 25G's for something without a hood or a roof.

I noticed on Comptons MSN review there's a picture of Mike and Dave, I think they're both playing Gil's. How do they do it? I've been playing bluegrass for a number of years and some of them have been busy and I don't think collectivly I've made $25K.

Hey, I work with several guys who have bass boats that cost more than that. #Add in the price of a truck to tow it.

I don't have 25G in a mandolin, but I'd rather have a Gil than a bass boat!

(Now, don't ask me to total up the six string costs, my wife may read this post. #And I have dreams about a varnished Collings!)

Dave

fatt-dad

Mar-20-2006, 12:37pm

I have a $2,000.00 Flatiron, but when I play my $500.00 pancake, I sound four times better than I should.

f-d

kyblue

Mar-20-2006, 1:15pm

I sound four times better than I should

Along those same lines, I get a lot of compliments on the tone of my mandos. I know it isn't my playing, so it's a good thing I have something going for me.

People usually ask to play them. Probably so I won't.

Paula

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mandopete

Mar-20-2006, 5:02pm

I think that "mandopete" contributed the best reply.
"Just the facts ma'am."
- Sgt. Joe Friday

Mar-20-2006, 8:01pm

I don't think these guys care about what others are saying about them. I think each of us should care about what we say cause it ultimately reflects either good or bad upon us.

Jim

I am totally lost here. You make a big deal about someone mentioning that they wonder how someone can afford an instrument. Then you say that those people probably would'nt care if they read about it.

So, why did you feel it was necessary turn this thread into a rant on what people should or shouldn't discuss on this board? Then also suggest they should think about what they ask lest they be thought of poorly. As far as I know it isn't a crime to ask questions and I wouldn't judge someone without personal exprience with them.

arrowmandolin

Mar-20-2006, 9:28pm

I give up, what's a bassboat?

Greg H.

Mar-20-2006, 9:47pm

It is a freshwater fishing boat (motorized) with raised seats usually in both bow and stern. For some examples look here: Bass Boats (http://www.stratosboats.com/index.htm?id=800)

glauber

Mar-20-2006, 10:11pm

I give up, what's a bassboat?
The other redneck hobby.

SurebetVA

Mar-20-2006, 10:32pm

Jeff Foxworthy has a joke about bassboats, something about that a redneck just can't resist that glittery paint with the sparkles in it. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

I think it is pretty common for ordinary people to be nosey about famous people. We have whole television shows called "Entertainment Tonight" and similar titles so that people pretending to be reporters can rumor whether or not someone is pregnant, or if so in so in hollywood is about to get married...

Most Mandolin players aren't famous enough to make these shows, so it's only natural that their public of this fairly small genre would express some of that nosey sentiment on here. When people get bored and their mandolin practice isn't going quite as good as they like, they start wondering things like did Mandolin Player X get a divorce, and does Mandolin Player Y make a lot of money. It's only natural thing to do after you have all ready exhausted looking at the Spring Season Bassboat Catelog and it isn't warm enough yet to get outside. Although I can't think of any mandolin player I would really call famous, some of them have become well known enough to have to deal with the things that go with fame. Luckily they haven't made the front page of the Enquirer yet.

So I don't think we should be to judgmental if someone starts asking probing questions. Unfortunately It is part of the price that goes with fame, or near fame in this case. I am probably guilty of doing it once in awhile myself. I just can't picture Jesse McReynolds' picture on a magazine in the check out line at Food Lion yet though.

Greenmando

Mar-20-2006, 11:31pm

If you want to be a carpenter you'd need a work truck, power tools etc., a house painter would certainly need a work truck as well as multiple ladders. Most of the carpenters or painters I've known also have a separate vehicle for home/personal use.
As a carpenter I agree, the cost has been staggering when I add it up each year.
The reason for the second car was for dating when single, tried dating with the truck but the tools kept getting in the way http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif . Also hate to park somewhere with $10,000 of tools in the truck.

I would buy a Gilchrist or Dude if my skills was up to it.

Originally posted by JimRichter:
Why is it that someone who is at the pro level is somehow exempt from this same privilege? #Mike Compton and David Long, as well as many of the other mandolinsists mentioned, are friends of the Cafe and periodically review this forum. #How does it make them feel to see themselves in such a light? #It does not reflect favorably on those involved.

After talking to several high profile mandolin players, I understand they often lurk here and post with different names. I would like to think that we would post with the same courtesy as we would if they were in the room with us.

sachmo

Mar-21-2006, 1:17am

Jim those are awful stong words!!!! I'm thankful for this thread, just look how much attention its gotten.

I think the question is does the man make the mandolin or does the mandolin make the man. I remember reading about Kenny Smith buying his old D18, I think I read that he sold almost everything he had including the furniture to afford it. Also I believe Tom Rozen (sp?) was told to make it to the next level he had to buy a good mandolin and he wrote that he got the same feeling as signing for his house/car payment loan. Do you think either one of these guys or Compton or Long or Grisman or Tony R. or WHOEVER would be any less of the musician they are if they played a different brand of instrument. Probably not, they are wonderfully talented individuals and they play the instruments that spoke to them, just like everyone here playes what has spoken to them.

People will buy what they want and more power to them, but I'm on Big Joes side and lets all be happy with what we have. Until MAS strikes again that is.

FlawLaw

Mar-21-2006, 7:47am

Without casting any stones, as I too have sinned, I can said that at times it is rather inspiring how a great artist got his or her tools. #Sometimes the story involves great sacrifice, like the selling of all one's furniture or luck, like passing by a mandolin in a barber shop window or seeing an old Telecaster being carried without a case past a pub (Roy Buchanan) or in the case of Ray Brown, the generosity of a friend, like when Ella Fitzgerald bought a bass for him after he had found it in a church basement and had fallen in love with it. This topic is far afield from the prices of Gilchrists, perhaps another topic. #In any case, I don't find it gossip at all, just interesting stories.

mandopete

Mar-21-2006, 8:50am

Ya'll are missing the point, this thread started with a simple question, "Anyone know at what price Gilchrist F5 are changing hands at ?".

red7flag

Mar-21-2006, 9:13am

Actually Mandopete, you answered the original question so well, we ended up drifting to other topics.
Tony

Bluegrass Boy

Mar-21-2006, 9:19am

It's best to directly answer a question if you're taking an exam or being interrogated by the police. The beautiful thing about a discussion is that you never know where it's going to go. I think it's fascinating to think about the whole concept of value and worth and to talk about how the big boys manage to do what they do and get their great instruments. I think our interest in them pays tribute to them and does not knock them at all. These guys are doing what we all want to do so we talk about them. Hopefull with respect.

Keith Erickson

Mar-21-2006, 9:27am

Not too long ago, someone posted a really nice story about Steve Gilchrist being his neighbor so many moons ago. The poster also talked about being introduced to an early Gilchrist mando. He mentioned that it was as light as a feather, held a beautiful tone and was beautiful to lóók at.

Maybe, just maybe these are the reasons why Gilchrist mandolins command such prices.

Since I can't afford a Gilchrist right now, I'll take the next best thing....

....a recording of a Gilchrist. Does Compton play a Gil on Stomp? Inquiring minds want to know http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

danb

Mar-21-2006, 9:45am

Well it's a common thread we get a lot of here on any discussion of expensive instruments, which is basically "how can anything be worth that" etc.

My standard response is that really good instruments make their own contribution to the music. The player's soul is always there, but the instrument's voice coupled with the right player makes it something even more special.

It's like having a muse or an inspiration. A really fine instrument fills that role, and draws you back to practice. I think that often when folks say that "the player gets their tone out of anything" they are doing a disservice to the builders who make such magnificent instruments. I've always thought that a fine instrument has as much of a role in the music as a very good player. Though you'll hear the player's tone to some extent on anything, that perfect blend of a great instrument and a top player is elusive and cannot be duplicated on just anything.

You'll often hear players tell you that a fine instrument is much easier to play. To my ear, I've noticed that when the instrument does something very well, you get much more feedback from it.. AHAH, THAT'S where to pick!

jmcgann

Mar-21-2006, 10:10am

To my ear, I've noticed that when the instrument does something very well, you get much more feedback from it.. AHAH, THAT'S where to pick!

What a great point! It IS about feedback- when it sounds good to you, you relax and play better. This is especially true of electric instruments- if the tone is bad, I can't play. If the tone is good, then nothing "gets in the way".

Great post Dan!

Rick Schmidlin

Mar-21-2006, 11:18am

I think a Colling MF5 V is a much wiser investment at a lower dollar.

mandopete

Mar-21-2006, 6:15pm

Well it's a common thread we get a lot of here on any discussion of expensive instruments, which is basically "how can anything be worth that" etc.
The answer is simple, really, it's what the buyer is willing to pay. Nothing more, nothing less. It's really none of our business how anyone can afford to buy or have any instrument.

Guitar Jeremy

Mar-21-2006, 11:22pm

Best thread ever.

Greenmando

Mar-22-2006, 3:38am

I have often advised people to buy a better mandolin than they can play. I would rather grow into a mandolin than fight a poor one. When I hear something wrong I have only myself to blame. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

carleshicks

Mar-22-2006, 5:39am

Back in 1994 ,when I was 15, I had a chance to buy a Gilchrest for $4500.But I didn't have enough money so I bought a '77 Gibson F-5 fo $2,250. Boy am I kicking My self Now. i sold The Gibson 2 years ago fo $3200 Just think what I could have got out of the Gilchrest.

man doh

Mar-22-2006, 6:23am

This thread is dumb.

Watch the movie clips on johnhartford.org.

These guys are friends. I'm sure Mr.Gilchrist is going to charge these guys $25,000 for an instrument, then fly half way around the world to watch them play in a loft apt. for a few people. Come on. I'm not saying he gave the instruments to them but I'm sure they are not sold at full price.

Oh and now we are going to get the people that say but I've been on his list for 5 years, "thats not fair." Grow up. Life is not fair.

I'm sure on the other side you have a talented artist that you walk up to at a festival and hand him your instrument and ask him to play it and it's 10 times better than the instrument he is playing and you walk away and he thinks "That's not fair that a hack can afford an instrument like that"

Bradley

Mar-22-2006, 6:40am

Going back to a disussion we had at band practice last night...Along the lines of Income from Bluegrass

Why do bluegrass bands take shows, and play for nothing ?
We all spend many hours and alot of money on our hobby,or should I say our passion. But yet we have allowed the value of a good bluegrass band to be whittled down to just enough money to pay your traveling expenses ? But the same people that want a Bluegrass Band for $200 will pay $3000 for a equally skilled rock band ? So if you have ever taken a gig for too low, shame on you.

Whether or not its our business about Mike Compton, its a shame that not only he but many other of our heroes dont receive the rewards and income they deserve. If we could magically see all of the perils that these guys have gone thru being full time musicians I think we would appreciate them more.

fredfrank

Mar-22-2006, 7:26am

I know it has been mentioned that the used prices of the Gils have been in the mid to low $20K range, but what does a new one go for if you are lucky enough to be on the list and getting one today?

oldwave maker

Mar-22-2006, 7:38am

When I visited Steve 18 months ago he said his order backlog was 18 months (he had quit taking new orders years before, these were carmel music orders previous to that) everything after the backlog would go at market price, whatever that will be-should be now, if he's on schedule.
When the silver city blues festival booked our acoustic blues group 'sister acidophilus and her bad habits' the event organizer emailed to ask if a fee of $500 +rooms would be suitable, she didnt get the joke when I replied that the rooms would be fine, but it would take us a week or so to come up with the $500..........

G. Fisher

Mar-22-2006, 8:19am

I think the list closed at around $11,000 from what I remember hearing. There might be a board member still waiting that knows for sure what the last price was.

Big Joe

Mar-22-2006, 9:37am

Hey Daryl...most quality instrument builders...including Steve...do not give discounts to artists or anyone else. Everyone pays the same. The beginners or those who are not up to the top level will often try to give an istrument to an artist. Sometimes they will accept them, sometimes not. I could tell you stories of several well respected artists who were offered free instruments that many think are great only to refuse them because they felt it would not be right to take them and not play them or just sell them. I can also tell you of a number who did take them and just sell them. Different strokes for different folks. Just because one is an artist does not mean he gets his stuff free. Just like the rest of us, most of them get what they have because they have worked very hard, been very disciplined, and sacrificed to get what they have and where they are. The only difference from them and the rest of society is they chose to play music for a living while other chose to do something else.

Keith Erickson

Mar-22-2006, 10:01am

My utmost apologies to all of you for helping keep this thread alive.

...but I do have a serious question http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

I believe that Mike Compton has a Gilchrist. Does he play his Gil on "Stomp"?

Regardless if he does or he doesn't I do plan on getting "Stomp". I am just curious to hear what these mandolins sound like.

Much oblidged http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Kevin Briggs

Mar-22-2006, 10:16am

Big Joe!

Aww, man. Stop reminding me of my life's decisions. Dang... I knew I shoulda' just kept pickin'.

JEStanek

Mar-22-2006, 11:47am

red7flag

Mar-22-2006, 12:29pm

A bunch of us were at the workshop with Mike in Bloomington. We had the pleasure of hearing him play both pretty much AB. My preference was the F4, but both were cannons with outstanding tone. It didn't hurt that Mike was playing them either.
I just want to say I had the pleasure of having breakfast with Steve Gilchrist while there. He is one great individual. He explained how he moved from a surfboard maker to making instruments. He talked about honing the muscle memory from shaping surfboards. He also talked about how he fine tuned his instrument craft. He is a wonderfully open and delightful individual.
Tony

Kevin Briggs

Mar-22-2006, 3:01pm

I'll second that about Gil being a good guy. I've never met him, face to face, but he answered an email from me, and he didn't have to. I asked him about setup and he responded within' a few hours.

I thought that was cool.

AlanN

Mar-22-2006, 3:20pm

Terrific fellow. I needed some work done on an old thing. I gave it to him at IBMA one year, 3 weeks later I had it back, fixed up good as new (or old)...no charge....

man doh

Mar-22-2006, 3:59pm

Hey Daryl...most quality instrument builders...including Steve...do not give discounts to artists or anyone else. #Everyone pays the same. #
Hey Joe, #

I think my point is I don't care and I don't think others should either if he gives someone a discount. #

I don't know Steve from Adam.

Unless someone had some finacial interest in him or his business they shouldn't be concerned either.

gschmidt

Mar-22-2006, 4:24pm

Wouldn't a builder want a Compton or McCoury playing their instrument? Wouldn't giving them a "discount" to get them to play your instrument (if that would even be necessary) be far more valuable in the long run.

Jordan wears Nike... I want to be like Mike... I must wear Nike. Compton plays Gilchrist... I want to PLAY like Mike... I must play Gilchrist.

I don't know if they discount or not, but it makes a enormous amount of sense to me that they would want to. Seems like smart business.

Keith Erickson

Mar-22-2006, 4:28pm

Keith,

You can hear his Gil F5 and F4 on his webpage here. (http://www.mikecompton.net/index.php?page=gallery)There is video of him talking extensively about them with Jim Richter and some brief playing. Also nice photos. #The audio isn't cd quality but these are good primers on his mandolins. #He plays more on the F4 than the F5 in the videos. #He also talks about when to use which one.

Jamie
Hey there Jamie,

Thank you for your trying to assist me in satisfying my curiousity. However I'm not too sure why, but I am not able to open up the video. Ugh http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

I guess this hasn't been my week. I would have loved to have heard Compton play his Gil.

Oh well....
....back to trying to "pop" out notes on my A+!!! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

grandmainger

Mar-22-2006, 4:31pm

...

Keith Erickson

Mar-22-2006, 4:36pm

Germain,

Thank you for making me laugh hard today http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

I needed that!!!!!!!!! LOL

luckylarue

Mar-22-2006, 4:45pm

I think David worked out some sort of trade w/ Steve for his Gil. A year's worth of doing Steve's laundry - socks included - was what I heard. Must be some mando.

SurebetVA

Mar-22-2006, 5:51pm

Thank you for your trying to assist me in satisfying my curiousity. However I'm not too sure why, but I am not able to open up the video. Ugh 8_String_Keith

Keith, this plays in a quick time plug in. I guess you have to have quick time installed to play it...Maybe that's the problem...just trying to guess at it.

fredfrank

Mar-22-2006, 7:30pm

Wouldn't a builder want a Compton or McCoury playing their instrument? #Wouldn't giving them a "discount" to get them to play your instrument (if that would even be necessary) be far more valuable in the long run.

Jordan wears Nike... #I want to be like Mike... #I must wear Nike. #Compton plays Gilchrist... #I want to PLAY like Mike... #I must play Gilchrist.

I don't know if they discount or not, but it makes a enormous amount of sense to me that they would want to. #Seems like smart business.

That would work for Nike, since there doesn't seem to be any limit to how much junk they can turn out. But Gilchrist isn't taking new orders, which indicates to me he doesn't need new business.