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edawg

Feb-05-2006, 11:39pm

im so new to the classical end of mandolin
im just looking for suggestions onmandozine.com, nothing to crazy. ive been getting lessons for 2 yrs and would like something to challenge me.

Martin Jonas

Feb-06-2006, 2:44am

Try the bouree from Bach's third cello suite. It's on mandozine and you'll recognise the tune. It's moderately difficult to play musically, but nothing too hairy technically and other than for one note, you don't have to go out of first position (although you may choose to for musical effect).

Martin

msarthe

Feb-06-2006, 4:37am

Why looking for Bach? There is a repertoire for mandolin you know http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

In the original works for mandolin, we have a ton of little pieces written in the early 20st century, like polkas and mazurkas. There is also some 18th century pieces that are not too difficult. Those may be hard to find (not edited anymore) but I can scan some for you if you're interested.

Martin Jonas

Feb-06-2006, 7:59am

Msarthe: I do agree with you that the original mandolin repertoire is great and some of it not that difficult. It's just that edawg asked for tunes available as TablEdit files on Mandozine (possibly because of the option of playing from the tablature), and said that (s)he has not played classical music on mandolin before. I think as a toe-in-the-water taster, the Bach is good because it's so familiar and one can hum along to make sense of the notated music. The same is not true, say, of the Beethoven sonatinas, nice though they are (and the C-major is even on Mandozine). I play the polkas and mazurkas, too, and love them; our ensemble has a lot of them in the reportoire. They just seem to me to be more folkloristic Italian than "classical" in nature, and there aren't a lot of them on Mandozine. Of course, without knowing the level of playing, it's difficult to recommend pieces.

As it happens, there is another good starting point on Mandozine in the form of one of the Branzoli etudes (No. 13). This one is written for the mandolin, and is a lovely little piece. It's my default pieces when testing the tone of a mandolin, as it goes evenly across all four strings and alternates quaver runs with tremolo passages. Both delightful to play and very easy.

Martin

MandoJon

Feb-06-2006, 9:24am

Msarthe: I do agree with you that the original mandolin repertoire is great and some of it not that difficult.

Any sources (the standard notaion is fine) on the web?

Martin Jonas

Feb-06-2006, 9:33am

Jon,

Try these:

Jim's 19th century tunes (http://www.paperclipdesign.com/19ctunes/)

Lincoln Smith's mandolin music collection (http://www.sonic.net/~lincolns/folios/)

Oh That's Mandolin (http://ohthatsmandolin.web.infoseek.co.jp/Title/index_all.html)

Nakano Collection (http://homepage1.nifty.com/yasu-ishida/index.htm)

Martin

Bob A

Feb-06-2006, 9:46am

For easy and tuneful classical music, the Suzuki violin books are hard to beat. They can be readily found, and a quick glance inside will let you know which ones are within your level of competence. Books 2 and 3 have some nice stuff in them, a fair amount of Bach, who wouldn't mind at all if you played his stuff on mandolin. (Why Bach??? I'm rendered speechless!)

Beethoven's sonatina in C minor is a piece that someone who's been playing a while can quickly master, and is very satisfying. It also has the advantage of having been written for mandolin, though a lot of the fiddle folk seem unaware of that fact. A nice change of pace, having them playing mando music rather than vice versa. (If you prefer your vice versa).

There's a lot of free stuff in the Icking Archive for download as well. (Bach's cello suites are there, and you can get them rendered in treble clef for violin). Best to browse thru and see what might appeal. (I don't recall the web address, but Google can provide).

I'm completely in the dark about mandozine. I'll have to take a look inside. As for tab, it's helpful but has serious drawbacks. Reading notes is not rocket science, and opens a huge heavenly gate, beyond which is some of the most splendid creations of all human endeavour. It's scandalous that reading musical notation isn't taught to everyone right alongside of the alphabet.

Jim Garber

Feb-06-2006, 10:17am

Also try this link for mandolin music on the Mutopia Project (http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/make-table.cgi?searchingfor=mandolin).

Jim

msarthe

Feb-06-2006, 11:48am

martinjonas : please dont take my reply too seriously http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I looked the scores available on Mutopia project and giulano's Sonatas seems to me quite good to begin with.

I have the Gervasio's "Allemande en Rondo" witch is quite easy and very nice. Many things also from Mario Macciochi or Laurent Fantauzzi (more difficult) and several other french or France-living composers. Mail me if you're interested.

Plamen Ivanov

Feb-06-2006, 11:59am

edawg

Feb-06-2006, 12:53pm

thanks for the suggestions

bob, i do know how to read music and prefer it to tab.

Eugene

Feb-06-2006, 8:38pm

You can count me amongst those who favor dedicated repertoire over transcription. I enjoy the rococo fluff that dominates Mutopia, but do be mindful of errors there.

edawg

Feb-06-2006, 9:27pm

btw, i only asked for mandozine files, bc i am poor college student that can not afford the cds...so i want to hear the midi file. (i gotta hear the tune before i learn it)

msarthe

Mar-02-2006, 2:30am

Hello,

Msarthe, could you provide some more info on M. Macciochi? We have mentioned this name before in regard to a strange built mandolins. I have played few pieces composed by him. Among them "Sur le rives du Tage" or something like that. I quote it by memory and my French is not very good. I`m curious. Thanks!

Good luck!
Plamen

Sorry for the late answer, I got a very bad hard drive crash and my PC is just coming back alive.
By the way, I lost all my archived mails, and I dont remember who ask me some scores by mail, so please send me a message, the files are ready to go.

Maciocchi (1874-1955) is one of the leading figures of mandolin in France, he came in the country in 1900, and founded the "mandoline orchestre de Paris" (mandolin knew by this time a tremendous succes in western Europe and there was more than 30 orchestras in Paris and its surroundings). He wrote more than 800 original or transcribed works for mandolin and mandolin orchestras.He was greatly influenced by Italian music (Verdi, Rossini) and classical, mostly Mozart. Some of his compositions required quite a lot of musicians. He can also be found under the nickname of "Ctsse Olga Delys". He helped Mario Monti in the creation of the "Estudiantina d'Argenteuil" in 1950. Mail me if you want more infos or some music, hoping my HD will not crash again...

Jim Garber

Mar-02-2006, 4:50am

Sorry for the late answer, I got a very bad hard drive crash and my PC is just coming back alive.
By the way, I lost all my archived mails, and I dont remember who ask me some scores by mail, so please send me a message, the files are ready to go.
msarthe:
I was one who wrote you. I was wondering what happened. I hope that your computer is now working again.

For some reason, I just sent you a PM and got this reply from the board:
That user is not allowed to receive messages so this message has been rejected

You can email me directly jimg@paperclipdesign.com

Jim

an uncalloused fingertip

Mar-02-2006, 4:01pm

I am waiting for some Bach maniac to mention his famous Chaconne for the solo violin. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Rook

Neil Gladd

Mar-02-2006, 4:54pm

an uncalloused fingertip

Mar-02-2006, 5:13pm

I am waiting for some Bach maniac to mention his famous Chaconne for the solo violin. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
That is HARDLY a piece for someone new to classical mandolin. (Although I plan to start a new thread about it soon.) I would recommend starting with one of the easier Beethoven pieces (Adagio in E flat or Sonatine in c) if you want to learn some standard repertoire.
He typed that he was "new to classical mandolin" and wanted something to challange him; he didn't necessarily say, however, that he was new to the mandolin.

When I think of a "standard", a well-known yet challenging piece comes to mind. The Chaconne is a standard for both the violin and the classical guitar.

I cannot get very far with it on any instrument, yet when I work on sections I am very much surprised at how the work can make even the mandolin sound pretty dark. If he tried the same, he may well have a greater appreciation of the instrument's capabilities than playing something of a more traditional color. The opening chords themselves are pretty inspiring. If he started playing the Chaconne, pretty much everyone on this forum would take notice at once.

If you are working on a Chaconne thread, ngladd, then you are a far, far, far better mandolin player than I am. I am eager to read the thread, which may help me take bigger bites-instead of picking at it like a bird. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Gene

Tom C

Mar-03-2006, 12:49pm

I just picked up Suzuki volume 3 during lunch. I am new at reading music and it looks pretty stright foward so I'll see how I progress over the next couple of weeks.

Perry

Mar-03-2006, 1:10pm

Bob A. is the Beethoven's sonatina in C minor that you were referring to?:

http://www.all-about-beethoven.com/pathetique.pdf

Jim Garber

Mar-03-2006, 1:29pm

Bob A. is the Beethoven's sonatina in C minor that you were referring to?:

http://www.all-about-beethoven.com/pathetique.pdf
He is referring to one of the four pieces that Beethoven actually wrote fro mandolin and piano. There is also one in C major that is practically a fiddle tune for all intents and purposes.

Jim